home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- From: George.Root@leading.org (George Root)
- Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 11:02:00 +0000
- Newsgroups: alt.drugs
- Subject: Re: What are the different kinds of LSD?
-
- IB>>What do you mean by different kinds? LSD-25 is LSD-25...you know, the
- IB>>"Heaven or Hell Drug" (LIFE MAGAZINE circa 1965). It may be in different
- IB>>potencies -- 250 micrograms to 1,000 -- ya never know. Beware of
- IB>>garbage. I am not familiar with any companies marketing the stuff under
- IB>>a brand name with quality control, listed ingrediants, etc...at least
- IB>>not in the USA. Back in the "old days" (my time - '66-70) you could
- IB>>trust purple Owsleys and Chocolat chips...and "Dubechek's Revenge" which
- IB>>was like cellophane blotters or something. <deletions>
-
- > well, i dunno that much, but I know the difference between regular and
- > poison acid. Poison acid you have absolutly no control over your body
- > whatsoever. That's the stuff people think they're oranges and if anyone
- > touches them as they try t peel of their face they will turn into orange
- > juice. about all i know, other than that it's all different, most have
- > speed, almost all, fake nowadays is just speed or rat poison,
- > umm..that's it
-
- From 1972 to 1977 i was Director of Florida's anonymous
- street drug testing program (Clearwater Free Clinic/Drug
- Analysis Project) and later was a research associate with
- UpFront, Inc. in Miami (1978 & 79). During this period of
- time i was directly familiar with the results from our
- analytical labs and those operating in California, Oregon
- and Detroit. I recall NO instances of samples of (actual)
- LSD being combined with strychnine, brucine or amphetamines
- and derivitives of amphetamine. (Which is not to say that
- there were no instances of people intentionally co-dosing
- with other drugs such as amphetamine; seems to me there were
- some clinical experiments where such a combination was tested
- and i recall people telling me about instances when they had
- done the same.)
-
- Of course, there were samples that were out-and-out
- misrepresentations. Generally these were easily
- distinguished from legitamate LSD by such signs as dosage
- quantity and form. Strychnine, brucine and amphetamine are
- typically active at dosage levels in the milligram ranges
- which are considerably higher than that of LSD. I also
- recall that there was a time when "white crosses" were
- analyzed to be brucine rather than amphetamine.
-
- In the early 70's the typical dosage range of LSD on the
- street was from ~100 ug to ~300 ug. From the late 70's to
- the present (far as i know) the typical dosase is ~40 ug to
- ~100 ug (with some exceptions, the "Bay Area" blotters are
- typically in higher dose ranges than that of "Southern
- Cal.")
-
- It may well be, from what folks tell me, that typical dose
- ranges have crept up again from the typical lows of the
- 80's. It has been many years since i have been directly
- involved with qualitative/quantitative analysis programs.
-
- The physiological signs which people attribute to being due
- to "bad acid" or to stychinine, amphetamine and the like
- seem to show up in the literature for clinical
- experimentation with LSD. So, it is likely that to some
- extent these effects are potentially found in association
- with LSD itself. Although, based on field work and other
- experience i am inclined to think that factors such as
- dietary, endocrine rythems & diurnal cycles, as well as
- set & setting influence the extent to which undesirable
- effects may exhibit with various entheogens. The Yachajruna
- (Quijos, Ecuador) who was my informant was very particular
- about diet and lunar phase when using (enetama)
- Banisteriopsis sp. Many traditional users of entheogens
- (i.e., shaman's as categorized in anthropology) insist
- on "purification(s)" being performed before utilization of
- an entheogen.
-
- Further, there are possibly effects which might be attributed to
- the agent (LSD) such as by-products of synthesis and
- degradation products. It seems reasonable that this would
- increase the likelyhood of undesirable effects... yet even
- this is not real clear as there is so much variation between
- individuals and individual trips. I have observed people
- who had signs of discomfort yet reported no subjective
- discomfort and vice-versa.
-
- All exogenous agents seem to produce varying degrees of
- desirable/undesirable effects.
-
-
- Cheers
- * Evaluation copy of Silver Xpress. Day # 19
- --- via Silver Xpress V4.01 [NR]
-
- =============================================================================
- George Root
- George.Root@leading.org
- The Leading Edge BBS Wurtsboro, NY (914) 888-4295
- =============================================================================
-
-